Kinja'd!!! "Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
06/17/2020 at 13:27 • Filed to: Looking forward to the upcoming election cycle

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Kinja'd!!! DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 13:30

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Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 13:31

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Everyone in Cigar Lounge

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Kinja'd!!! 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 13:35

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Kinja'd!!! 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > For Sweden
06/17/2020 at 13:36

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Kinja'd!!! Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
06/17/2020 at 13:36

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You can feel the heat from here.


Kinja'd!!! nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 13:38

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Which one has blackjack and hookers?


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 13:39

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This seems a good place to reiterate what I said in another post. I would really like it if Cigar Lounge became our designated  subform for for politics and the like, and those posts did not get cross posted to the Oppo main page. That way, people who wanted to engage in political discussion would know where to find it if they want. I’ve seen this kind of subform organization being used successfully on phpbb forums over again with success.


Kinja'd!!! MonkeePuzzle > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 13:40

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sure sure sure, but what if I just create noisy political and topical articles over on cigar lounge then share them to oppo every time?


Kinja'd!!! farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 13:41

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i thought the cigarlounge was our designated subform for politics and anything else?

we just all kinda suck at using it as intended


Kinja'd!!! Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 13:41

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I’m good with that. I won’t stir shit on OPPO but I certainly will on Cigar Lounge.

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Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
06/17/2020 at 13:42

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Every tweet is a bad tweet


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > For Sweden
06/17/2020 at 13:42

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Clicking on Oppo posts is like clicking on Doug’s review of the Stinger and getting 5 minutes of his opinions off  other Youtubers, the ethics of using press cars, etc.

Bonus coverage or camouflaged rick roll? Depends on your point of view.


Kinja'd!!! davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 13:49

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Political / Sensitive topics are welcome, even encouraged, however it is recommended that you announce such content in the title and that all sensitive material is posted “after the jump.”

Rules can be changed, but OPPO has always been “off-topic”.


Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 13:49

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Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/17/2020 at 13:51

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It’s made muddy by the policy that Oppo welcomes political posts.  What I see is Cigar Lounge posts being shared to our main page, which obviates the whole point of the separation in the first place. All oppositelock posters should have author privileges on Cigar Lounge, and then abolish cross posts. That is to say, anything political posted to the main page gets shunted to the CL.


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
06/17/2020 at 13:54

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Yes, I know all that. What I am suggesting is a rules change. Lots of other forums divide their off-topic content. It’s still accessible to all, but with much better organization than a “buffer image”.


Kinja'd!!! boredalways > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 13:55

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Kinja'd!!! TheJWT > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 13:59

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I don’t care if people talk about politics here but lately the frequency of people using Oppo as a substitute for Facebook in posting ignorant echo-chamber dogshit has started to wear on me.


Kinja'd!!! farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 14:01

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welp....i’d be okay with that

course...im okay with things as they are too...but im pretty easy going 


Kinja'd!!! Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 14:18

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We are two separate entities and cross posting should follow the rules of crossposting. The Cigar Lounge is not Oppo and Oppo is not The Cigar Lounge. Otherwise carry on following the general Oppo guidelines 


Kinja'd!!! facw > farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/17/2020 at 14:29

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Definitely not. Political posts are well within Oppo’s rules, and historical place as an off-topic forum.


Kinja'd!!! DipodomysDeserti > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 14:34

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Why is it so hard for  people not to click on posts they don’t want to engage in?


Kinja'd!!! facw > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 14:35

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That would be a bad change IMO. People are welcome to skip posts they don’t like. The Cigar Lounge is a worse place for such discussions as it doesn’t foll ow the same rules as Oppo, leading to shittier discussion. Also it is a separate page, people don’t have authorship privileges , and most Oppo regulars are in the greys. Honestly the cross posts are probably problematic in that Cigar Lounge authors aren’t good about ungreying to bring people into the discussion.

And of course there’s the problem that telling people not to p os t about politics is inherently political, it is taking the side of the status quo.


Kinja'd!!! WilliamsSW > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 14:42

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Second this motion. 


Kinja'd!!! WilliamsSW > MonkeePuzzle
06/17/2020 at 14:50

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As long as the Rick rolls stay on Oppo you’re good.  


Kinja'd!!! MrSnrub > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 14:51

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facw already covered this but I’d like to echo him in saying that I don’t think this is a good idea. It’ s just a fancy way of saying “ban politics from Oppo”


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
06/17/2020 at 15:00

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You are just talking mechanics. Your comment does not address the substance of my comment. It reads as though it is just intended to shut down conversation on the subject.

What I propose is possible, whether the vehicle used is the CL or some other mechanism. 


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > DipodomysDeserti
06/17/2020 at 15:06

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That’s like saying “why not just ignore the neighbors fighting in the next door apartment”. It has a spill over effect. Don’t tell me you don’t feel it in the days when Oppo becomes a mostly political forum with other posts interspersed. 


Kinja'd!!! WilliamsSW > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
06/17/2020 at 15:07

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The politics section duh


Kinja'd!!! Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 15:15

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What you’re not getting is that The Cigar Lounge was started because people wanted their NSFW content   after we banned it here. So they got all up in arms and created their own blog that has nothing to do with Oppo. We are 2 separate entities and that is it.

As for the “substance” of your comment; i f you don’t want to read political posts on Oppo, there’s a way to not read them, it’s called not reading them. Oppositelock will always remain and be committed to remain a completely off topic page . If you want to create your own place, you’re more than welcome to.


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > facw
06/17/2020 at 15:29

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I have seen those problems. We have had cross forum posts appear on our main page, and you only realize they are from CL when you click in them. So their “shittier discussions” as you put it become de facto Oppo discussions. Why not clean that up and organize it better?

Also, I will continue to call bullshit on the “just don’t click on those posts” comments. That works with the occasional post, but when we get a stream of political stuff, even with buffer images” the aura of the place changes. It’s like if the people next door are fighting, you can put on your headphones and ignore them, but it still makes for a lousy neighborhood dynamic.

Then there are times like the other day when ttyymmnn posted something that seemed relatively innocuous, but I read down in the comments and start to get a whiff of another Trump-bashing circle jerk in the making. I felt a little like I had been rick rolled.

And nobody said anything about telling people not to post political stuff. All I suggested is keeping it collected in one place. Many forums do this with sub forums or “rooms”.

And one final thing. People here are getting less civil all the time about the way they conduct their political discussions. People   are not self policing consistently. For every engagement where posters are rational and respectful to each other, several more devolve into ad hominem attacks and name calling. I am reading people calling each moron and joker. That has zero place here.


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > WilliamsSW
06/17/2020 at 15:29

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Thank you. I am getting an unexpected amount of blow back for saying this. 


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > MrSnrub
06/17/2020 at 15:31

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That’s not even close to what I’m saying. I’m proposing an Oppo sanctioned sub forum where you can find all the politics you want. Many forums do it all the time. 


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
06/17/2020 at 15:39

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And what you are not getting is that the example of CL is just an example. It is still possible to create a sub forum that is not CL. Now whether you like it or not is your opinion to express. But it’s just that, your opinion. I can discuss and propose other options if I want to, your attitude of “this is the way it is like it or not and you can leave if you don’t” notwithstanding. 


Kinja'd!!! Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 15:41

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But actually , no, it is not possible to create an Oppo subblog. The Herb killed that off.


Kinja'd!!! MrSnrub > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 15:45

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How would people get to this subforum from the Oppo main page? Oppo isn’t like a typical forum in that it defaults to a list of sub-forums to navigate. It’s just Oppo and that’s it. It’s more of a blog that everyone can publish to.


Kinja'd!!! WilliamsSW > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 15:47

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I don’t mind an occasional well reasoned political post. But it feels like we’re getting too many again lately, and most are just knee jerk reactions, regardless of political leaning. Like Z, I fear that’s going to get a lot worse between now and November.

I’ve taken to just not clicking the links, but the more of this stuff we get, the more likely the banhammer will end up being needed. A lot.  


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
06/17/2020 at 15:47

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Then maybe I misunderstand. We have “Oppo meet” and “rules of the road”, etc at the top of the main page. How are those subcategorized?  Is it simply by the “filed to” tag or some other mechanism?


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > MrSnrub
06/17/2020 at 15:49

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I’m envisioning something like the “Oppo meet” and “Oppo rally” tabs at the top of the main page. 


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > WilliamsSW
06/17/2020 at 15:55

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That’s my worry too. I’m afraid we will get over run with anger and partisan yelling. I’m a fairly conservative guy politically and socially. I try to be open minded and respectful of other views. But I increasingly get the feeling that I have to hide what I think about things or I might get attacked. I don’t come here to be attacked.  First for me will come not clicking those links, and then when they get too frequent, just not coming to Oppo because I remember what’s waiting behind those links. 


Kinja'd!!! and 100 more > For Sweden
06/17/2020 at 16:01

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I mean, it works for Mr R egular! W hy can’t it  work for me?


Kinja'd!!! DipodomysDeserti > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 16:04

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I find it very easy to not be bothered by what people post, even if I disagree with them. Definitely doesn’t affect my day. It seems as if a lot of people here live much more insular lives than me, and seeing things that disagree with their world view disturbs them.

If anything, I enjoy people discussing real issues and having constructive conversations .

If I heard my neighbors constructively disagreeing and discussing racial issues in the US, I would feel great.

Nothing people post on here bothers me, even when they try to personally attack me, as has been done. If anything I feel empathy for them, as you have to have an absolutely miserable life to feel the need to attack a stranger on the internet.


Kinja'd!!! WilliamsSW > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 16:09

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I hear you. I guess I’m more to the left of you, but at the same time, to the right of the typical Oppo, I think. I tend to hide that part  via my intense dislike of our current leader.

Either way, I despise poorly reasoned political crap, even if I do agree with the conclusion. A good chunk of the political posts are really just shit stirring by a handful of people.  We do have good people here and I’d hate to lose any of them due to this garbage.


Kinja'd!!! Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 16:12

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Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > WilliamsSW
06/17/2020 at 16:27

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I wish left or right didn’t matter, but the ones of us who are even a little right of center find ourselves keeping it to ourselves just to avoid the stress. It’s like when I was in college and it came up that I was Catholic at the dinner table, I would have to brace myself for another discussion of how my church was horrible in the Inquisition and the Crusades. Ugh.


Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > and 100 more
06/17/2020 at 16:31

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Because he is a libertarian


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > MonkeePuzzle
06/17/2020 at 16:34

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Why would anyone ever do that?


Kinja'd!!! MM54 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 16:37

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Yes. This. I am so sick and tired of politics and other arguments ty ing up Oppo. This is not everyone’s personal soapbox. There are a few people who I am pretty sure contribute nothing here outside of shit-stirring.


Kinja'd!!! Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
06/17/2020 at 17:54

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That’s a pretty harsh shutdown of a not unreasonable area for discussion. Taking the attitude of “the mods own the place and they’re the only ones who get to even discuss changing the rules” is a good way to wind up singing to an empty arena.

I’m not sure I’d want to ban or even hide away posts on politics (or any subject) but I can see the argument for doing so - it does toxify the place on occasion, and the ill feeling engendered spills out beyond the threads which create it.


Kinja'd!!! Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 18:06

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Agree with you on this one. Not sure that banning it or dividing it off is the answer, but it de fini tely ruins the overall vibe at times, whether you read the actual posts or not, and it’s going to get worse as you lot go into election season . Whether/how the situation can be improved is a discussion worth having.


Kinja'd!!! Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 18:18

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FWIW, I’m a long way to the left by US standards (though moderate by local standards) and even I feel the pile-ons get embarrassing . Having said that, there are also a few folks here who like to troll, which doesn’t help. I’d be keeping quiet too, if I was conservative . Which is a pity - as a furriner,  I actually get real be ne fit from the occasional outbreak of people sensibly dis cu ssing US political issues that media soundbites don’t give context to.


Kinja'd!!! PatBateman > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 18:24

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GOD DAMMIT YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE ME HAVE TO MODERATE CL AGAIN.


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06/17/2020 at 18:31

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Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
06/17/2020 at 18:51

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That was how I felt it too, and I started to wonder if I was imagining the aggressive tone, but I very much felt like I was being shut down. Just for expressing an idea.


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
06/17/2020 at 18:54

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FTR,  I don’t want to ban anything either, just keep the discussion of that sort amongst the people who want to engage. Sometimes I do engage, and then I end up regretting it because of the ill will that spills onto the main forum.


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
06/17/2020 at 18:56

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I like having reasoned discussions. It helps me see other views better. It’s just so disheartening to think that every time I venture an opinion, I have to brace for impact. Not from everyone, but from enough that’s it gets me down.


Kinja'd!!! PatBateman > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
06/17/2020 at 20:53

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https://cigarlounge.kinja.com/welcome-back-oppo-and-others-1844074041


Kinja'd!!! WilliamsSW > Chariotoflove
06/17/2020 at 22:46

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So much this.   I like hearing reasoned discussions, and learn from smart people with different opinions. Oppo tends to be not that on politics.  


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > WilliamsSW
06/18/2020 at 00:33

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I like to think we could be here, if we just kept cool.


Kinja'd!!! 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > For Sweden
06/18/2020 at 03:44

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Kinja'd!!! Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > For Sweden
06/19/2020 at 12:20

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Kinja'd!!! slipperysallylikespenguins > Chariotoflove
06/20/2020 at 22:40

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This sounds like what I was trying to push on late last year, didn’t work out real well.

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/a-thought-on-politics-and-mods-1840497967


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > slipperysallylikespenguins
06/20/2020 at 23:39

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Yeah, sounds about right. Moving the political carping to its own collection isn’t happening. Most people here don’t seem to understand that I wasn’t saying “ban politics” but rather reorganize them to keep the fighting out of everyone’s faces.

I’d be happier though if we had a better mechanism for keeping discourse civil. I don’t like reading about opponauts calling each other idiot and moron because I thought I’d read a post about current events.